What ITC Groups Could Learn From INIT (9.4 – Management)

The most remarkable ITC contact I received over the years, here in Colorado, was a phone call in May 1996 from the spirit of the late EVP pioneer Konstantin Raudive, lasting about 12 minutes. During that phone call we spent a couple of minutes talking about how best to manage the INIT group, and that’s the excerpt you can hear and read below.


(You can listen to the phone chat audio clip… while following along below.)

Transcript of the 2:20-minute excerpt

Macy: I, too, have tried to avoid words such as “leading” and “managing.” It’s not easy on Earth to develop social systems that are based on non-hierarchical…

Raudive: Don’t try to avoid it, friend Mark, because these are systems implanted in your world, and you’ll have to deal with them…


… it’s very important that you assume the role, and then it will be done, because it’s only for the common cause.

Okay. What we’re trying to establish with INIT, I think, is more of a network on Earth, as opposed to a hierarchical or a bureaucratic-type organization. A network without formal structure. I think that can be done maybe with the Internet.

That is a fact, because you are one of the essential, main points of this network. You are one big “dot” on it, do you understand?

Thank you.

And from this big dot there are departures for other dots, smaller dots. And it’s only from this big dot that ramifications (branches) may be made.

Okay, as you know, I’m extremely honored and very delighted to have that responsibility…

You don’t need to say this because, you know, we are working together, doing one thing, and that’s what’s important.


I was… we, our group, we were very honored to be able to contact you now, and we will continue in the future.  This is the first contact to you that lasted more than eleven minutes.

Time went by very quickly. I’ll do everything I can to make this work, the INIT…

We know it, Mark. Without that we wouldn’t have contacted you.


And don’t be afraid of small, personal differences that…


You understand.


(Our group had some personality conflicts at the time of this contact, which escalated in the coming years and led to, I believe, the eventual coming-apart of INIT around the year 2000.)

 (Read a more complete transcript on page 7 of the linked journal… )

Hidden between the lines of the dialog:

  • I never really wanted to be a manager or leader… ever. Didn’t like bossing, didn’t like being bossed. Always tried to be responsible for my own behavior.
  • And so I assumed (and I was apparently wrong) that a network of independent ITC researchers could flourish without any management. Konstantin corrected me and explained how things look from his side, in terms of management (the dots-and-branches metaphor).
  • At that time in my life my feelings didn’t match my words (like a lot of guys, I wasn’t “in touch” with my feelings). As a result, the “people-pleaser” aspect of my personality showed itself during the dialog. I told Konstantin that I’d be “honored and delighted” to help manage INIT, but the truth is, the whole idea of managing really made me uncomfortable, and I was trying to avoid it.
  • My mixed feelings apparently worked against the resonance needed to sustain the ITC bridge. Konstantin interrupted me at that point of the dialog, and the contact ended shortly thereafter.

So… could good management have prevented the fall of INIT?

Could good management help to ensure the life and integrity of ITC groups now and in the future?

That’s what we’ll explore today.

Management and Direction

This article is about managing a network or association of independent researchers dedicated to ITC (instrumental transcommunication), which is the use of technology to supplement a communication bridge with the worlds of spirit.

By “researcher,” I mean an ITC group member who…

  • Experiments with ITC equipment, or
  • Analyzes and understands and explains and documents the work, or
  • Arranges funding, or
  • Plans meetings and events, or
  • Participates in meetings, or
  • Equips members with technology, or
  • Works carefully with the media on behalf of the ITC group, or
  • Arbitrates conflicts and grievances among members, or
  • Provides any other useful service for the group….

I’m assuming that the ITC group is nonprofit and could include members from various nationalities, cultures, races, and religious beliefs.

First of all, my aim here is to gather up what I learned from my experience with INIT (the International Network for Instrumental Transcommunication) between 1995 and 2000.

Second, I’ll share some important principles that have been developed by management experts for modern businesses … principles that might also be useful for nonprofit ITC groups to consider.

Third, I’ll describe how a few modern technologies could make it easier and cheaper to manage an ITC group. (I’ve written about this before, so I’ll just summarize it at the end of this article.)

What I Learned From INIT

So to begin, here’s what I learned from INIT about managing an ITC group:

  1. Members should make an effort to be resonant, or in harmony with each other (as well as at peace within themselves), a condition that allows them to be in harmony with a spirit group that will grow and coalesce around them… harmony being the ultimate prerequisite for sustaining an ITC bridge.
  2. Harmony does not come easily to us carnal humans, because of our hormones and egos and personality differences… hence the need for some sort of management of the group.
  3. The ITC group could write and adopt a constitution to describe group vision, member responsibilities, and other matters.
  4. A small administrative group of several members (what INIT called a Resonant Working Group, or RWG) could be chosen to represent the group by implementing decisions made by the ITC group as a whole.
  5. The managers should probably take extra efforts to sustain harmony among themselves … to act like a crystal oscillator in a radio… providing stability and discouraging the group and its members from straying off-frequency with their aims and intentions and attitudes.
  6. It’s important for these administrative members to try to overcome ego problems and difficult personality issues, as described in the previous article, that can cause dissonance and conflict.
  7. The managers also should probably be familiar with techniques to resolve conflicts and grievances among members of the network.

These seven issues kind of sum up how the INIT network might look, ideally, from an earthly viewpoint.

From the viewpoint of our spirit friends, INIT might look simpler: a few “large dots” connected to lots of “smaller dots” (as Konstantin Raudive described to me in his phone call). So, more specifically…


The image used by the spirit group to monitor their earthside collaborators might be similar to these modern computer network topologies, except that some points would be larger than other points to indicate key members. (Image courtesy of Wikimedia user Malyszkz.)

  1. A competent spirit group, such as Timestream, can monitor the earthside group as a collection of points and branches. Each point (or dot or spot) represents a member, and each branch connects two members. There are large dots (representing certain key members of the group) and smaller dots (representing the other members). The key members (large dots) are determined by the spirit group, and they might or might not be the same as the ITC group managers delegated by the membership for mundane administrative duties.


(Note: As I mentioned, the managers of the RWG, who administer to the interests of the group, aren’t necessarily the same as the key members, or “large dots,” who are determined and monitored by the spirit group. I suspect the managers are chosen or elected somehow by the membership… but, frankly, I’m not sure what criteria the spirit group uses to determine which earthside members are big dots and which members are smaller dots….)

Well, I wrote the preceding paragraph yesterday. This morning (June 10, 2016) I woke up around 4:00 with a mental picture of what Konstantin might have been trying to describe with his dots-and-branches metaphor. If I’m right, this could have important implications for the future development of ITC research… in which case I apologize for being dense, in the literal as well as figurative sense, in not understanding this earlier.

How the Spirits See Our ITC Groups

This is a picture of the original INIT group taken during our first meeting at Dartington Hall, in England, in 1995.


I think Timestream spirit group had a bigger vision in mind for INIT. It wasn’t just to be one big network of independent researchers from around the world, as I’ve been assuming for many years. I now think maybe INIT was to be an association of representatives from many networks around the world… a sort of umbrella network of networks.

Most of the people in this picture were Europeans who were associated with the Harsch-Fischbach couple. They would have been seen as “smaller dots” associated with Maggy.

Sonia and I (Mark) were probably seen as “big dots” representing South America and North America, respectively. Juliet Hollister of Greenwich CT, the loving, nurturing white-haired woman next to Sonia, was a close friend of mine at the time and was probably viewed by Timestream as a smaller dot associated with me.

All of the other people in the picture (besides Maggy, Sonia, Juliet, and me) were probably seen by our spirit friends as smaller dots associated with Maggy.

I think that Timestream envisioned the growth of networks of researchers in North America (branching from me) and in South America (branching from Sonia)… and probably also in Asia, Africa, Australia, and elsewhere in the coming years. In fact, we received several contacts from Timestream telling us that new stations were being planned and implemented, but the actual locations were still under discussion. (Read more about those contacts… )

That is probably the scenario that Konstantin was trying to explain to me on the phone with his dots and ramifications.

So what happened?

Why did the bridges with new stations not happen (… yet)?

Why did the exceptional bridge with Timestream close down?

Well, for one thing, I don’t think we (on Earth) had a very clear picture or understanding of all this at the time. We were all doing our best trying to reconcile the miracles going on around us, but we didn’t see the bigger picture of how everything was supposed to fit together. One thing we had learned earlier from Timestream is how our conceptions and expectations here on Earth play a part in shaping the reality that’s evolving on the Third Level. If we have a confused cosmology, then society on the Third Level becomes kind of confused. (Read more about that… )

Also, I think it’s not easy for our spirit friends to work with us carnal humans. The jealousies and worries and fears over who might or might not get a good station might have sent the whole project into a tailspin. Harmony was probably corrupted by the hormones, egos, and difficult personalities of us carnal humans… our fingers pointing at each other every which way… here a blame, there a blame, everywhere a blame blame….

Specifically, I think INIT might have fallen short on points 5, 6, and 7 of the above list.

It seems that some people want the power of management, and some accept it reluctantly, but few take the time to foster the qualities of good management as recognized and defined by management experts today, so….

What We Can Glean From Management Experts

While researching for this article, I found several websites with useful management wisdom. I’ll start with my favorite, a British advisory group calling itself…

Acas (Advisory, conciliation, and arbitration service)

Acas takes a nuts-and-bolts approach to organizational management, providing an online survey or questionnaire that walks managers carefully through 10 key areas of their organizations:

  • Recruitment, Selection, and Induction
  • Pay and Reward
  • Performance Management
  • Flexible Working and Work-Life Balance
  • Equality and Diversity
  • Communication and Involvement
  • Employee Representation
  • Discipline and Grievance
  • Managing Change
  • Key Performance Indicators in People Management

Managers visiting the Acas site can click on one of the 10 areas, or modules, where they find a set of multiple choice questions along with recommendations for best practice. (Read more about the survey, or “Acas Model Workplace”… )

The first five Acas modules don’t apply very well to a nonprofit network of independent volunteers (such as an ITC group), but the last five modules could probably be adapted for ITC purposes:

  • Communication: How often does the group hold meetings? Are members encouraged to ask questions and discuss issues openly? Are members kept informed? Is information available about staffing and training? Is there a facility for members to make suggestions? Are attitude and engagement surveys conducted? Can members join problem-solving groups? Are managers trained to handle communication and member involvement?
  • Member representation: Is there a framework or constitution specifying the roles, rights, and responsibilities of members? Is there a consultative or negotiating body (an “RWG,” for example) representing members’ rights? Do group members recognize the RWG managers as people they can safely turn to with their concerns… managers who will address their issues?
  • Grievances: Are members clear about rules and membership standards? Are the managers trained to deal with grievances and interpersonal conflicts? Are grievances addressed right away? Should outside mediators be recruited to help resolve conflicts? Are conflicts and grievances investigated clearly? Do members have a chance to make their case? Are examples provided of what gross misconduct or unacceptable behavior would look like? Is there some kind of appeal or conciliatory process available to members accused of something?
  • Managing change: Is there a clear vision and project plan for the group? Are managers accessible and responsive during times of change? Are there ways to address “survivor syndrome,” when some members have been asked to leave the group and remaining members miss their former colleagues and feel guilty that they themselves are still members? Are the managers aware of the link between changes in the group and the health and well-being of individual members? (Specifically, crass, reactionary changes can damage members’ self-esteem and give a sense that things are “out of control.”)
  • People management: Does the group conduct member surveys to see how satisfied members are with their role in the group? Do they keep track of members joining and quitting, and the reasons why they quit?

Thanks to Acas for their step-by-step process toward good management!… which I think could be adapted nicely for a nonprofit ITC group.

Management by Consensus and Group Conscience

It seems to me that an international network of independent researchers would probably function best under Japanese style (consensus) management, or what is sometimes called “group conscience.”

It’s not a typical, western-style management situation in which the managers make quick decisions and the other members comply.

Instead, important issues are allowed to spread through the entire network for everyone to digest. Then, after lots of discussion and consideration, a unanimous decision is born. It’s up to the managers, then, to see that the decision is implemented appropriately.

Decisions might be slow, not quick… but they’re usually the right decisions, when made under this sort of management.

(Read more about Japanese management and about ”Group Conscience”… )

American Wildflowers

As I looked for ideas here in the States, I didn’t find any step-by-step processes toward sound business management.

Instead, what sprung out at me was like a rich field of wildflowers… inspirational, sensational, luxuriant philosophies and tips like these…

While these and other American sites had useful information, for ITC purposes it seemed more fruitful to adapt the methodical and comprehensive approach of Acas.

Managing an ITC Group on a Shoestring Budget

Twenty years ago, communicating with people in other countries usually involved letters, FAXes, international phone calls, and floppy disks and CDs sent through the mail… very time-consuming and expensive.

Today it involves emails and file attachments, maybe Skype, and occasional text messages or phone calls via cell phone… cheap and easy.

Twenty years ago, publishing ITC findings involved writing newsletters and books, making translations, writing articles for magazines, making more translations, attending conferences, giving seminars and workshops, and doing radio and TV interviews… lots of hard work and expense.

Today it could be done on a multilingual website (with automatic translations)… all very neat and simple… and inexpensive.

Twenty years ago, I arranged annual meetings for our INIT group in different countries and funding to cover everyone’s travel, room, board, and entertainment. That was expensive, so we had to rely on the generosity of sponsors… grants from sympathetic foundations.

Today we could meet once or twice a year or as often as necessary through videoconferences. The software for videoconferencing can be a bit pricey, but not nearly as prohibitive as travel expenses for in-room meetings.

(Read more about the new technologies… )


So, once an ITC network is up and running in the world (a sort of expanded version of INIT geared for the growing legion of serious, resonant ITC researchers in the world today…), it probably would not be too difficult or expensive to maintain, as long as everyone took some time to foster harmony and sound management practices.

At first, though, there could be complications and expenses involved… in-room meetings and conferences in various parts of the world… where everyone can get to know each other… to determine who feels comfortable and compatible with whom, in order to form smaller networks within the larger, worldwide network….

This is something I might wish to write about in a future article, as details coalesce more firmly in my mind… taking into account the many good researchers and ITC associations and networks that are already forming out there in the world today.

Is the spirit world waiting for all of this activity and growth here on Earth to achieve some sort of unified, resonant state before ITC bridges will start to open wide?

I think that might be the case.

So… before I join that spirit group… while I still have a few years left here on Earth… I’ll roll up my sleeves and do what I can… which is essentially to try to explain things as clearly as I can here on this website.

Who will wind up being “big dots” and “smaller dots” in the worldwide network that forms in the future (assuming that we carnal humans can sustain some level of resonance and harmony…)?

I suspect that’ll be determined to some degree by us humans the way we’ve always done it… a mixture of pure intentions (which will allow ITC to flourish) and power struggles, battling egos, and arguments (which will cause ITC to falter).

As always… it’s up to us humans.

But me? My main interest at this point is to write about it.


The next (and probably final) article in this “What ITC Groups Can Learn…” series will be about Funding and Support.

About Mark Macy

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48 Responses to What ITC Groups Could Learn From INIT (9.4 – Management)

  1. John Day says:

    Thank you, as always, for continuing to build on and extend this knowledge, and extend your own effort with helping us understand what is needed.
    This writing is full of insight and practicality…contemplation and the action needed.
    I have a Buddhist prayer on a piece of paper beside my computer which I gaze at often. It is called the Metta prayer for Loving Kindness…it helps me come back when I begin to wander off.
    “May I be free from inner and outer harm and danger. May I be safe and protected.
    May I be free of mental suffering or distress.
    May I be happy.
    May I be free of physical pain and suffering.
    May I be healthy and strong.
    May I be able to live in this world happily, peacefully, joyfully and with ease.”

    • Mark Macy says:

      That’s beautiful, John.
      I plan to copy it into a file, print it out, and keep it close at hand… maybe next to my own computer.
      Words to live by, for sure….

  2. Mary B says:

    Thanks for your article. I am currently working with a group( with Craig Hogan) , the North American Station.We are in the early stages.Your experience and ideas are appreciated!! Thank you

  3. Michael says:

    These articles are amazing and hearing those people speaking from the otherside is awe inspiring.
    With the conflicts and when they started to escilate did it hamper communications with Timestream? Did INIT completely (permanently) fall apart?

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Michael,

      Answering your first question: Yes, definitely. As conflicts began in the late 1990s, the bridge faltered. Some of us started getting contacts from negative spirits, and the good contacts from Timestream began to dry up.

      Your second question? That’s haunted me for 16 years. The best I can tell, INIT activity was “suspended indefinitely.” Timestream and other interested parties in the spirit worlds (especially “The Seven”) seem to be waiting to see how (and IF) things come together among us humans on Earth.

      My gut feeling after all these years is, if the right conditions can come together among earthly researchers, ITC bridges will resume… but that’s a huge ‘if.’
      A clear, stable ITC bridge with finer spirits…
      1) rests on our ability and willingness to give in to the finer parts of our nature… our ability as humans to work together with a purity of intention, sincerity, openness, trust, and genuine friendship… and…
      2) is made difficult or impossible if we give in to some base aspects of human nature… those parts of us that want to be better than anyone else, that mistrust the results of others, that are driven by insecurities, fear, and ill will.

      So, it’s not an easy question to answer… and what I’m sharing here is just my viewpoint, based on what I learned since the founding of INIT.
      My only real advice to independent researchers is to try to stay of pure heart and follow your inner guidance.
      An earnest desire to connect with positive forces in the spirit worlds can be the fuel that opens up an ITC bridge.

      If I’m inspired by other pertinent ideas, I’ll add them here in this dialog….


    • Ricky says:


      I wanted to chime in and say that Mark’s books (they changed my life) really do an amazing job of explaining the general workings of INIT, in my opinion. Miracles in the Storm I think would be a really awesome book for you to check out if you want to get an overview of the evolution, and downfall, of INIT.

      Personally, I am happy to have read them in order of publication – 1). Conversations Beyond the Light 2). Miracles in the Storm 3). Spirit Faces 4). The Project

      Incredibly-illuminating – it is pure gold for those of us here who want a peek into the keyhole of paradise.


  4. Mark Macy says:

    I’ve been thinking a lot about the meaning of “friendship” lately… as The Seven mentioned “love and friendship true, the best qualities of mankind,” as important things for the INIT group to be aware of.

    Today there are Facebook friends, BFFs, frenemies, and all sorts of interpersonal relationships that have diluted the meaning of “friendship.” The subject came up in an email dialog I had recently with a British ITC researcher… and I have a feeling it could be real important in the future of ITC.

    I’m wondering if a “friendship true” as envisioned by The Seven would require two people on Earth meeting face to face, or if they could feel the resonance through the Internet and cellular, in the course of emails and chatrooms and texts and other means of interpersonal communication from a distance.

    I know that through the comments on this website over the years I’ve developed friendly feelings and harmony and resonance with various commenters whom I’ve never met, folks from diverse walks of life… Ricky, George, Nicola, and others.
    And of course there’s John, who was the chief surgeon in Boulder in 1988 when he removed my colon cancer… and has since become a close friend who also joins the discussions here.

    Anyway, I’m wondering, for the future development of ITC networks, if it’s necessary for researchers ever to have to actually meet face to face. Would meeting in person give impressions or vibrations of each other that wouldn’t show up through in-depth online dialogs?

    Any thoughts?

    • Michael says:

      That is actually a good question because in a former life (this life but just younger) I used to do online gaming and it was with people I had never met and over the months we became good friends where we would just chat when we were not gaming; we laughed and acted like we had known each other for years and when I eventually left gaming because I was furthering my studies there was a sense of loss (from my side) when I signed off for the last time.
      I do think people can form lasting friendships with people they have never met and all it takes is a common interest or common ground.
      The flip side to that is you form friendships with toxic people as well but you won’t know because they come across as really nice people and slowly but surely their true colours come out which is disappointing because you realize that they were never a friend but people who were trying to promote their own agenda.
      So it is a double edged sword to some degree, but yes you can make friends with people who you will probably never meet.

      • Mark Macy says:

        My thoughts exactly. I’ve had a friend or two who ended up seeming kind of toxic (good word), and we went our separate ways.

        Over the past few decades (since the coming-apart of INIT), the tables turned for me. I did some self-reflection and found certain toxic aspects inside me (or difficult personality qualities, or defects of character) that were causing problems for me and for people in my life.

        Then came the guilt and shame. I started feeling like the comedian Rodney Dangerfield: “I’d never join a group like that if it accepted people like me in it.”

        Finally, very recently, I’ve come to realize that we’re ALL noble-savage human beings, most of us have some toxic qualities in our personalities, and we’re all doing the best we can.

        Your comment gave me a hunch, Michael. Maybe an ITC group could provide a quiet place online (probably on an “Intranet” accessible only by members) where members can do some self-reflection, take a personal inventory of of their own toxic qualities, and share them with the group… or at least with one or two other members… and then make an earnest effort to get rid of them (their toxic qualities, not the other members) 🙂

        I think that might help an ITC group to be resonant with LOTS of different people in it. Lots of good people committed to ITC research.

        Ii woke up with that thought this morning, after reading your comment last night.


        PS – I may share some of my own toxic qualities or character defects on this website, for the purpose of example. Normally (and more appropriately) it would be done on a more private venue or forum… not here on a public website.

        • Michael says:

          That members area would be amazing; we get to be human and strip ourselves back and we all get to see our faults ans floors. We can fix what we know is broken but we have to know what is broken before we can fix it.
          I hope you seriously look and making something because if we can get it right it just may be the inspiration someone needs to join in and grow the field in a positive way.

  5. John Day says:

    This 9.4 Beacon post and comment stream has been very helpful…thanks to everyone.

    Since I have been privileged to know Mark in person (both inside and out), I believe that having an in-person friendship is very special….special bonds are remembered and shared.
    I also believe, just as assuredly, that knowing friends “at a distance” via the quantum inter-relatedness of heart field electromagnetics is just as powerful in friendship bonding, especially when it is developed. The development of such heart field inter-relatedness is where we are going with the ITC pursuit.

    Isn’t this is how we create the link of the ITC bridge to finer realms?

    The issue of our self hatred must be considered…we all have those aspects of ourselves which we have come to loathe to some degree or another. When we recognize those same aspects in others, then we will loathe that which we see in others. We will project our own self hatred at another, just because they are mirroring to us that which we already loathe in ourselves.

    We can consider Albert Einstein’s oft quoted words of wisdom…we cannot solve a problem with the same consciousness which created it.
    Einstein’s words can be stated differently…if we try to fix ourselves, we’ll do it with the same mind-set that caused the problem in the first place, and that will only strengthen our ego style. Our ego style will then usually attempt to maintain the status quo. This status quo might remain as the polarized and judgmental sort of status quo. Just consider all of the current global squabbles and the egos interested in maintaining that status quo.

    The only way we heal the stumbling stone of our inner demons is to bring them all into the light of consciousness, embrace them as a real part of ourselves, and forgive them. It is OK that these difficult memories are there. Our “mistakes” and “faults” are ultimately used by Source in the greater good in the grand scheme of things anyway.

    Forgiveness is the only way we heal. If I can own forgiveness of myself, then I will have forgiveness to give away to others. I cannot give away to others that which I do not own for myself. I can only give away what I own.
    We cannot hand over the essence of our deeper experiences of spiritual life growth until they have been fully integrated as our own.
    I think that we all need to keep negotiating with our own personal trauma inventory and manifesting forgiveness of self and others. Then we can more fully embrace our inter-relatedness as friends in the field of All.
    Thanks for reading.

  6. John Day says:

    I think a further commentary on heart electromagnetics is appropriate. I should have mentioned this above. Apologies to the readers.

    The resonant frequency of the human (mammalian) heart is 0.1 cycles per second (Hertz).
    When our hearts are in this frequency we feel calm, we can access higher emotional frequencies, higher cognition,higher intuition, and our hearts can entrain other hearts in the vicinity, and probably also at a distance, through quantum field effects. The electromagnetic field emanation of the heart extends for 20 feet beyond our bodies, but this measured distance is limited to just what we know based on the sensitivity of the technology used to make the measurement, which is a SQUID magnetometer. If there were more sensitive instrumentation, such as what I imagine the Spirit friends on Spirit side possess, then we could measure our heart signatures all over the field.

    This resonant frequency is bracketed on either side by the autonomic nervous system frequencies of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.
    The very low frequency of sympathetic nervous system tone is known as “fight-flight” and is akin to being startled, alarmed, and triggered. On the other end of the spectrum is the parasympathetic nervous system tone of “freeze” and this is akin to overwhelm, withdrawal, apathy, and depression. Resonant frequency is in the middle of these 2 extremes.

    The sympathetic experience is like a foot on the gas, and the parasympathetic is like a foot on the brake. Often the 2 frequencies coexist at the same time in our day to day interactions. Imagine how chaotic and disruptive that is for our attempts at a unified and bonded field emanation.

    The resonant frequency experience may be thought of as a state of calm, mindfulness, and meditation. It is a prayerful poise, if you will.
    I think that ITC probably is most effective when this kind of heart frequency can be shared among friends who are united to the cause and the vision. This may be one available psychic technology which can be explored to help build ITC friends, trust, and bridges.
    Heart resonant frequency can be practiced with biofeedback technology from the HeartMath Institute.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi John, thanks for these two great, insightful comments about the mechanics of heart resonance. I suspect that HeartMath and Monroe institute technologies could help people be resonant with each other (to some degree), and could be important tools for ITC research. But lately I’ve also been wondering… what about certain qualities that we’re born with, like…

      —Raging testosterone? People with naturally high hormone levels can be more prone to criminal behavior and conflict. (NY Times… )

      —Personality? Psychologists are saying certain people may be predisposed to be either liberal or conservative in their political or religious views, based on where they fit into the “Big 5” personality types. That could suggest that there might always be some degree of tension between a staunch Republican and a died-in-the-wool Democrat… or between a tightly knit Southern Baptist and an open-minded Unitarian. (Washington Post… )

      —Sensitivity? And what about the sensitive, artistic kids born into a military family or a bigoted community ( Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin, for example)… and how rebellion can lead them down dark, self-destructive paths?

      So, it all brings me back to my original quandary. How well can we get to know a person by exchanging thoughts and feelings through the web or the cloud? The resonance that we may begin to feel with someone through online chats and emails… would it still be there if we met in person? Would hormones or egos or personalities start to cause problems?

      Maybe I’m overthinking this, which I sometimes tend to do.

      Bottom line, I suppose: How does all this look to our spirit friends? They certainly understand the shortcomings and challenges we face as carnal humans. I suspect we don’t all have to be PERFECTly resonant with each other to establish a good ITC bridge. Maybe we just have to submit ourselves to “moral” behavior, a constitution, and good management of an ITC group, and deal with the inevitable conflicts and differences as they arise.

      Still, judging by a lifetime of interacting with people, it would be nice to collaborate with people you just feel good being with… and I suppose you can “be with” people nowadays on the Internet, even when you’re thousands of miles away from each other… maybe.

  7. John Day says:

    Good queries and concerns, all.
    I do not believe that you are overthinking it…we are all born to be different at every level of chemistry and behavior and inclination. It is the nature of existence here.
    I also believe that one of the true essences of our spiritual journey here is to be able to appreciate all of these differences for what they are…different manifestations of Source.
    Having appreciated that much, we then have to be able to get along, especially where important, special, and sensitive projects are concerned.
    It is all part of our individual spiritual journey. As you state, the ethereals are aware of our issues and are pulling for us over here on this plane.
    I don’t think that we will ever achieve perfect unity among all of us, nor should we rigorously attempt such, but different groups could achieve high levels of unity within themselves, and there could be an overarching connection between all ITC groups.
    We just need to be able to calm our minds and clarify our emotions. If we can keep clarifying our emotions, through practice (like the 12 Steps), then we can have authentic emotions. We have the emotions instead of the emotions having us.
    We need to be saved from the tyranny of our own judgments, opinions, and feelings about everything.
    So, we just need to get out of our own way. When our own self admired image is in the way, we don’t mirror anyone else very well.
    Maybe I am overthinking it, huh?
    Thank you.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Yes, John, maybe we could start an overthinkers support group as the first step toward a new ITC bridge. 🙂

      Or…maybe the usual scenario will unfold in world ITC. Egos and personalities will battle until someone prevails, leaving trails of blood, sweat, and tears… and only then will The Seven step in to support the victor.

      Let me digest this a while….

      I’ve been reading a fantastic book, inherited from wife Regina after her monthly book club meeting:

      America’s First Daughter

      a historical novel about Patsy Jefferson, daughter of Thomas Jefferson. The book talks about the blood and tears involved in achieving human rights and freedom for the first time in the history of the Second Epoch. The rights of all human beings, regardless of race, color, creed, to be legitimate and counted. (Slavery was a huge issue at the time.) Amazing, wonderful story, but….

      That’s just one little step in the evolution of mankind. I’m sure The Seven and other ethereals have been close to the USA / America since that noble turning point in world history toward human rights and freedom…

      But now things have shifted again to where humanity needs to find a balance between individuals’ right to be free and societies’ (and humanity’s) right to be stable. A smart compromise between democracy and socialism… between capitalism and communism.

      Anyway, I’m rambling… and I’m sure The Seven and Timestream and other enlightened spirit groups are watching all of this unfold on Earth to see how personalities, egos, and heavily armed militaries eventually come to some sort of next step in human affairs… and then they’ll choose sides, once again, to guide us toward a finer principle.

      Seems like a lot of drama to me.

      Another possibility: If a bunch of us (ITC researchers) can just agree to move our savage side to the back seat and put our noble side (trust, good will, honesty, and decency) in the driver’s seat, then maybe we can take a big step beyond the stupid drama that has defined our world for the past 6,000 years.

      That would be the founding of ITC in today’s world, based on noble human principles.

      But, again, I ramble….


      • Mark Macy says:

        Sorry to say, that post of mine from last night showed one of the chinks in my personality… the tendency to get cynical sometimes. I’ll try to work on that….

        • Michael says:

          I think cynical is a learnt habit and habits can be broken; I was never a cynical person but due to situations I learnt to become cynical and I know it is one of my many floors but I also believe if you surround yourself with good people it fades with a wee bit of work from yourself as well.
          For me I am working through some of my floors by reading what the people have to say who watxhing us; this site is slowly rebuilding the light I was.
          Being alive there is no quick fix only hard work and a willingness to find who I once was.

  8. John Day says:

    Michael registers a good point in his post about making anonymous friends. I have had a little experience with making friends on a football blog…imagine that.

    And then you comment here…which is the only way this will get going again…”Another possibility: If a bunch of us (ITC researchers) can just agree to move our savage side to the back seat and put our noble side (trust, good will, honesty, and decency) in the driver’s seat, then maybe we can take a big step beyond the stupid drama that has defined our world for the past 6,000 years.”

    It just has to start….I believe that good people can be good and negotiate their wounds and egos aside.

    • Michael says:

      Well put John; it is the only way ITC will move forward.
      A collective think tank is a brilliant idea; no one forcing their idea to be better than anyone elses and belittling another researcher because their idea is out there.
      I would say if a team could be built solely on trust; respect and common goal; I would be the first to put my hand up and say lets do this; lets prove Itc is a field where an ego has no place.
      I would love to see researchers not fighting all the time.

  9. Michael says:

    Do you think if you had taken a management type of role in INIT it could have been different?
    I personally think there has to be that one person who leads and manages a team and keeps the direction a one direction. The reason I say this is I am a manager at work and I keep my guys focused on the prize and when things start to go south it is my job to keep it under control and help them find their direction again. It is hard but it works fir tge most part.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Michael, based on what I knew then about management, no, I don’t think I could have done much good holding things together as a manager of INIT.

      After going through that ACAS website while writing the above article, though, I think any reasonable person could use that kind of knowledge, if they took the time and effort to assimilate it, to do a good job of managing the kind of ITC networks that I think will be coming together in the future.

      What I envision for a good worldwide ITC group (again, just my opinion) is a network of networks that I mentioned in the article. Each local or regional or continental (???) network within the overall network would have a representing manager. And these managers would be knowledgable of proven management techniques, and they’d work together to help manage the overall network of networks.

      I still have no interest at all in managing. However I AM interested (maybe even driven) to try to understand the big picture, based on what I learned from INIT, and to try to write out or sketch out a framework of how it could all come together.

      That seems to be my real calling, not the actual management of people and things.

      One thing I might consider… and it would be a huge job… is to try to put together that “Intranet” or private network website that would allow members to work together from anywhere in the world. One very important part of that site would be a place where everyone could (actually everyone would be expected to) do a personal inventory of their character deficits, for the sake of resonance. That way, I think they might have a more intimate stake in the group, along with everyone else, and feel more committed to it???


  10. John Day says:

    An inventory like the 12 Step personal inventory is a good idea. Something like this should be a prerequisite.
    Our ego wanderings usually manifest through how we allow old traumatic guilt and shame to influence us into manifesting the shadow side of the emotions apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, and pride.
    We can begin to shift the shadow of these emotions into the utilitarian way to use the emotion to help protect and heal our lives.
    These 6 nuclear emotions are usually all tangled up inside of us in a ball of yarn, which can be untangled.
    For instance, you both mention that you have cynicism. I do as well. So, what is cynicism based on?
    Cynicism is no more than shadow anger and egoic self righteous pride working in tandem. If we take it all the way to the floor that Michael mentions, then we find that the pride is actually based on the lower frequency of anger.
    The anger is based on the lower frequency of shadow desire which is based on the shadow fear, which is based on some shadow grief. The grief is usually the floor. It is some old unresolved trauma that we have not learned how to forgive.
    As stated way up there somewhere, forgiveness is the only way we heal.

  11. Michael says:

    Hi Mark

    You have got me thinking with everything you have said about self valuation; researchers and common goals so I have had this thought and I will give you my reasoning for it at the end.
    I make websites for fun and because they are a challenge within themselves and I am offering to make a site based on what you invision for a researchers site where teams can come together and do proper unbiased research; it will be a members only site but it will have a section where people who want to browse can come have a look and see what we do. It will be hard work but it can be done and I am offering my time freely. If you like it we can buy the domain but we can cross that bridge when we get there.
    My reason for this there are plenty of people in this world who are devoted to ITC but have no place to come to together and sometimes all it takes is a little jump in the right direction and it will gather momentum.
    Think about it and let me know what you think.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Michael, I’m moved by your generous offer. Thanks!

      My thought at the moment is to proceed slowly and carefully with this idea of developing an intranet, or “virtual private network.”

      For one thing, I would hope that it wouldn’t be competing with any of the other good ITC-related networks or websites that are already evolving, but would provide a certain kind of umbrella network for those (individuals and networks) who’d like to connect through the umbrella… but there’d be some level of mandatory commitment involved, such as the subsite where each member explores his or her own character defects.

      It might be set up in a multi-level way that could accommodate local networks that could be part of regional networks… maybe national or continental networks…. Not sure how that kind of structure might evolve cleanly.

      The nuts and bolts of this whole network idea might get too detailed and cumbersome to continue in this forum, and might be better to discuss via email. For example, what web development tool would you consider… WordPress, Sharepoint, Dreamweaver?… How would you set up the homepage?….

      Maybe you could send me an email with some of your more detailed ideas?

      My email address: itcmark@gmail.com


    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Michael,

      I have a feeling you’re going to be moving in the right direction with this intranet idea. As you and I discuss the details by email as it evolves, would you mind if a few other people got involved in the email conversation as well? (I don’t have anyone in mind at this point, and no one has expressed an interest, but someone seeing these comments might be interested.) Or would it be a case of ‘too many cooks in the kitchen can spoil the soup?’

      Your call, since you’re the one who’ll be doing a lot of the work, and it’s going to be built largely upon your good instincts…


      • Michael says:


        I think a think tank could be just what we need so more people just may be helpful; there are going to be things we don’t think of and that other person just may have the idea which could be the high five idea.
        I think it should be a collective call or rather look at it as I am building a car for you; we can discuss things but ultimately it is your call.

        • Nicola says:

          Sorry, a think tank to discuss what?

        • Mark Macy says:


          I’ve been thinking and writing about a website where ITC researchers could connect, and the main purpose would be to foster and sustain harmony within the group, since resonance seems to be a prerequisite for an ITC bridge. So it would probably have to be a vpn (virtual private network), like a company website that’s accessible only by employees. (If it’s open to the public, it’s subject to lots of mixed emotions that can disturb the harmony.) So it would be open to any ITC researchers under certain conditions of joining, which we’ve been discussing here in this dialog.

          Michael said he’s going to start developing that website, and we’ll discuss it by email as it evolves. He welcomes a “think-tank” approach involving various ITC researchers in the email dialog.


          • Nicola says:


            Oh I see.
            However the resonance should only become an issue if people work in groups.
            Sticking my neck out here, but I will see if I can get some answers from my team this afternoon. I don’t fancy my chances much as the signal is quite appalling still. I’ll post back here if I get anywhere.


          • Mark Macy says:

            Hey Nicola,

            Your spirit team will also find themselves obliged (once this new ITC website is up and running) to resonate with finer principles, if they want to work with an ITC researcher who’s plugged into the site. That means, if they’re currently “earthbound,” they’ll have to either resettle on the “Third Level” or else find another researcher. If they’re already on the Third Level, then they’ll fit right in.

            I think that’s how it’ll start coming together.


          • Nicola says:

            The team are on the third level already. 🙂

          • Nicola says:

            Earlier you mentioned finer principles and the third level.
            I don’t believe this is the case. I think there’s a vast spectrum of vibrations there, allowing most of us humans into this place. Of course there are people there with finer principles, but they’ll be nearer the fourth level. And there will be people closer to the second with most central.
            So I don’t think a high resonance is needed to communicate with regular spirit teams.
            But what do I know! Will have to wait and see!

          • Mark Macy says:

            Yep, that’s how I understand things. The third level is kind of a mix of human traits. Finer traits as you move toward the fourth level, and rougher traits as you move into the denser vibrations closer to the Earth.

  12. Nicola says:

    Hi Mark,

    I’m wondering if, as time has gone by, our spirit friends haven’t changed their way of managing the threat human egos and jealousies can be to the connection. Perhaps the bridge has now been strengthened to withstand such human frailties?

    Certainly our method of communication seems to have changed from the days when the contact was by and large initiated by the spirit group. It’s almost impolite now! We ‘dial in’, or as I like to call it, ‘call home’. To tolerate that I would imagine the group has to have some pretty tough defences in place.

    So, things change.. Although probably the ideal, perhaps a team is no longer essential to enjoy enhanced ITC. As you probably know, Sonia is still enjoying enhanced ITC contact, both audio and visual, her partner being Dr. Raudive I believe. And Anabela Cardoso is enjoying enhanced DRV, and that’s through Timestream. Both fly solo, at least for the majority of the time, I think. So no team is crucial there.

    Was the goal for Timestream and the seven to prove continuity of life? I believe it was.. If so that’s another probable change. The goal now, as I understand it, is to bring comfort to the bereaved by putting families in touch with those that have ‘died’. I have had the opportunity recently to follow the continuity of life path, and was told in no uncertain terms that it’s not what I’m being put forward for. Good. I don’t like sceptics, I just want to do my work.

    Mankind, in my opinion, will NEVER resonate for long enough to ‘get the job done’. This is part of our human condition, as vile as it is. There will always be one person believing he or she is chosen, special or better.. Or all three.. Than everyone else. Even, maybe especially, in this work.
    Groups will start out well intentioned but will gradually change, ‘fine tune’, reappoint which will cause resentment, unhappiness, jealousy and dissonance.
    That’s just the way it is, in any group.

    As you may have guessed I’m pro-solo! 🙂


    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Nicola,

      In our previous dialogs you’ve mentioned how much you prefer working alone on your ITC projects… so I wasn’t surprised. (Can’t say I blame you.) 🙂 Still, if and when I move ahead with this worldwide, private ITC network, you’ll certainly be welcome to hook up in whatever capacity feels right at the time.

      The goal of Timestream and The Seven, I think, was to give us a taste of the unlimited possibilities in ITC. Being in contact with departed loved ones, getting a much clearer understanding of the other side, giving us some key insights into the ancient history of humanity and Planet Earth, explaining the conditions needed on Earth to sustain a stable ITC bridge, offering a cleaner definition of “moral” behavior and attitude, and quite a lot more. I don’t think they saw much importance in providing proof of the afterlife, since ITC researchers typically need no convincing. 🙂 They did, however, provide careful proofs that certain contacts came from them, not from negative spirits or from earthside hoaxters.

      And I think you’re right about human nature; there’s only so much any group can do to ensure harmony among the ranks. Too many doubts, fears, and desires here on Earth to let us resonate cleanly for an indefinite period of time.

      Still, the more we can resonate and be of one mind, the better the ITC possibilities are.


      • Nicola says:

        I meant proof of continuity on a massive scale, outside of the ITC community. I wish I could remember where I read it, or even if I read it. I’m sure they were getting hugely frustrated at the amount of disbelief and cynicism coming their way. I thought I’d read too that it affected their ability to communicate with us. Perhaps I’ve read too much and I’m getting confused, or confusing hypotheses with the truth. 🙂

        • Mark Macy says:

          Yes, “Technician” delivered a message about the widespread fear of death being one of the most troubling problems of humanity, caused by our conscious minds having lost touch with their spiritual roots… a scientific and materialistic way of thinking causing us to believe that all-of-who-we-are is wrapped up in this carnal body and transient lifetime. As a result we behave rather badly, grabbing what we can before we die with no consideration for our timeless existence and soul purpose. (something along those lines)

          He said one purpose of ITC was to alleviate that problem by refamiliarizing the public with its true (spiritual) nature.

          Maybe that’s one of the contacts you were thinking of?


          • Nicola says:

            Uh, no.. It was more along the lines of frustration that the enhanced ITC was not persuasive. Never mind, I’ve probably dreamt it!

  13. John Day says:

    One management issue can be assisted if all ITC practitioners, be they solo or group. agree to evolve their practice around a sincerity of unified purpose.
    The prayer of St. Francis offers a good template…

    Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
    Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
    where there is injury, pardon;
    where there is doubt, faith;
    where there is despair, hope;
    where there is darkness, light;
    where there is sadness, joy;

    O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
    to be understood as to understand;
    to be loved as to love.

    For it is in giving that we receive;
    it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
    and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

    • Mark Macy says:

      John, I’ve attended meetings where excerpts of that prayer were recited by the members. Very powerful. Mark

    • Nicola says:

      All management issues can be avoided if there simply are no managers. Bestowing any kind of hierarchical title immediately causes a problem. It’s saying the manager is better than the others causing resentment and an ego spike. What might work is just a collection of duties which get rotated to all that are capable of doing them unless the researcher opts out.

      • Mark Macy says:

        In a nutshell you’ve captured the crux of the above article. When Konstantin Raudive called me on the phone, he might as well have been talking to you. 🙂

        He told me, “Don’t try to avoid it (the hierarchical structure of earthly organizations), since they’re systems implanted in your world and you’ll have to deal with them… and accept the role for the common cause.”

        It took me a long time to understand that some form of right and proper management among humans seems to be needed as long as our egos, hormones, and personality defects stir up problems among us and destroy the resonance needed in an ITC bridge. The difficulty seems to be in defining “right and proper,” since there are lots of opinions on that. That’s one thing that I think Michael and I and the “think tank” will be taking into account as we develop the new private website.

        On the other hand, the famous “12-step” program has flourished for nearly a century in a non-hierarchical form… but, then, that’s only been possible by putting principles above personalities and by putting the ego in the back seat as each member practices the 12 steps. That (putting egos and personalities in the back seat) is the only way to sustain a non-hierarchical group, and it doesn’t come easily or naturally to us carnal humans.

        As a result, 12-step groups become like families… just a lot bigger than the average family and a little less dysfunctional. 🙂 Members don’t necessarily all like each other, but there’s an underlying love that holds them together. Like a typical family.


        PS Nicola – I corrected the spelling of “resentment” in your comment (which had been gnarled by the “naughty auto-correct” computer brain, as you said) since your comment is important and I didn’t want the typo to interrupt the flow of the dialog.

      • Mark Macy says:

        Nicola, you said, “What might work is just a collection of duties which get rotated to all that are capable of doing them unless the researcher opts out.”

        Excellent point, which we can take into account for the new website project. And I think it can work, as long as we have the section on the site in which every member examines their defects of character (thereby moving egos and personalities to the back seat for the sake of harmony and resonance).

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