ITC Gem 1: How We Affect the Spirit Worlds

[Editor’s note: This is the first of a long series of short articles… amazing communications from the other side during the early years of ITC (1985-94), mostly in Luxembourg. I published English translations of those historic contacts and distributed them to a small circle of researchers and interested parties in various countries over a period of several years. In this communication, The Seven ethereals suggest that our widely held beliefs do indeed play a big role in shaping the spirit world.]

Technician (Ethereal Being): The world in which we live, which you call ‘the other side,’ is constructed according to the basic laws of Ptolemy.*  The ideas that living and deceased persons hold concerning this structure are misleading.

The life view of Ptolemy was then obliterated by followers of Copernicus.*  This life view correspondingly reduced the number who arrived here geometrically. At the moment, due to the imprint of Einstein’s view, and because of numerous new theories from your side — Hawking, Sheldrake, etc. — the other side here is, one might say, ‘out of joint.’

Countless people are coming here from the earth. The spiritual understanding of many are not as yet advanced to the point that they recognize their responsibility for the outcome of these events. As new situations on Earth are created, we stand ever ready for new changes to echo here. Here these lead not only to changes in our planet but also to the dimensions or planes. New changes then need to be made here to compensate. The solution that we at the moment have decided upon is to try to reach the core of our world through which, when you inform us, we would be able to create anew. People who read what you write would discuss it with others and slowly construct a stable direction of thinking. To be sure, people here live happily and peacefully and can ‘straighten out’ the many problems that you manifest.

Even if your side is not a mirror image of the third dimension, and this side also does not present a mirror image of your Earth, we mutually influence each other. We are concerned about the unresolved problems of the Earth and always seek possibilities for helping you. Many times we can do nothing and must wait until someone on your side takes the initiative.

For many, many years I have inspired Mankind to subscribe to common valid rules that make living in community according to spiritual principles orderly and possible. Today I try to inspire your society. I have determined that the guiding principle to which Mankind subscribes, when they seek it, is to be One. It is very different from earlier times when they allowed themselves to be led. Most of all, to me the greatest difference is how Man thought in earlier times and how he thinks today. When we try to inspire him now,  we take into consideration life in this age.

* Notes:

Ptolemy (AD 90-168) refined the idea that the Earth was the center of the universe—the view held by most people in the civilized world at the time.

Copernicus (1473-1543) upset the geocentric worldview, putting the sun at the center of the universe, with the Earth as one of its satellites.

Other ITC Gems:

2 Reliable look in-beyond      3 Phone chat with an invisible friend      4 Murdered child is found and healed      5 How thoughts create reality      6 Strangeness of material reality      7 More about Planet Varid      8 Reincarnation from ethereal eyes      9 Convincing a skeptical public      10 How some people reincarnate      11 The end of reincarnation      12 Friedrich Juergenson makes contact      13 How the Luxembourg miracle began      14 How humans,  spirits,  and angels see God      15 The nature of spirit      16 Life on the other side      17 Avoiding dark forces in spirit work     18 How angel pictures are delivered to Earth      19 More afterlife descriptions      20 Timestream and othe spirit groups      21 Time and space in the astral realm      22 How things work in ITC      23 Power of thought      24 Reliable facts about the afterlife      25 Ethereal beings 1      26 Ethereal beings 2      27 Technical  ITC      28 Transimages      29 More transimages      30 Technical ITC: Transvideo   31 Technical ITC conclusions      32 The second epoch      33 Parallel worlds and shadow worlds      34 Medicine and the human spirit       35 Atlantis (Science may be closing in)      36 Humans came from Eden      37 Secrets of life and afterlife      38 Perspective from Beyond      39 The inside story of the afterlife

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13 Responses to ITC Gem 1: How We Affect the Spirit Worlds

  1. Leslie Harris says:

    Mark,
    Much of this appears to be rather obscure. It would be very helpful if you, as one who was involved at the time, explained what it means on a sentence by sentence basis.
    Les Harris

    • Les, when I was originally introduced to contacts like this, they shook my worldview… and it took many months to slowly assimilate the information to where I could see ‘reality’ in a new light. I’ll take your advice to heart, and perhaps add a small summary after each of these “gems”… but I probably won’t go into lengthy explanations. I think you’ll see that over time, while reading more and more of this information, the picture will come into clearer and clearer focus.
      Here, then, is a short summary of this “ITC Gem 1.”
      Popular terms like “thoughts are things” and “thoughts create reality” may seem abstract to us on Earth, but in the worlds of spirit they represent a way of life. People can manifest clothing, foods, and many other ‘things’ simply by thinking of them.
      On Earth, the prevailing worldview in any given age is caught up in the collective consciousness of the people living in that age. While our individual thoughts can spin off into invisible worlds and manifest small realities, our collective beliefs can have a profound effect on spiritual realms that are associated with our world… that is, spirit worlds in which deceased humans resume their lives.
      I think that Technician (the ethereal being who is delivering this message) is saying that over the millennia in which his group of Seven have been supporting and guiding humanity, he’s seen a change from the masses submitting to their leaders, to a growing sense of “one mind” among a community of people in which social direction sort of evolves. While I see some exceptions to that (here in the US, for example, Vice President Dick Cheney and his oil cronies essentially hijacked America through lies and fear-mongering to attack the Middle East), I think it’s generally true that communities and nations and humanity as a whole are starting to be guided more by an oversoul or group consciousness… especially now that the Internet and other mass media are keeping everyone informed more and more of what’s going on in the world.

  2. Nicola says:

    Hi Mark,

    I decided to re-read all your gems. 🙂
    Can you tell me if this message was delivered in German originally, and if so who translated it?

    Nicola

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Nicola,
      I’d have to go back through my files to be sure, but if memory serves, it arrived in German and was translated to English by my friend Hans Heckmann. That’s the case with most of the contacts we received from Timestream and The Seven during the late 1980s and the 1990s. Hans and I, on behalf of George Meek, flew to Europe in 1992 and met with various ITC researchers, including the Harsch-Fischbach couple in Luxembourg. Over dinner, Hans agreed to translate their work into English,and I agreed to publish it.
      Mark

      https://macyafterlife.com/2013/02/17/itc-pioneer-hans-heckmann-goes-home-to-paradise/

  3. Walker says:

    Mark, while reading the words of the Technician, I couldn’t help but think of the revival of the geocentric model within some ‘Truth’ communities. What do you make of all this? I recently saw a presentation on the luminous aether and its relationship to the Michelson-Morley Experiment, which did not advocate a geocentric model, but did seem to suggest the earth was stationary.

    Having had many contacts from the other side, had you encountered any other discussions on the nature of our planet and its position in the heavens? Thank you in advance for all that you do.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Walker,

      It’s taken me years to digest and try to reconcile much of what The Seven ethereals told us… especially how the afterlife on the third level was and is developed around the laws of Ptolemy… the “old-fashioned” notion that the Earth is at the center of the universe.

      What I’ve come to conclude is that we mortal humans are steeped in the “reality” of the material universe, and the afterlife seems like a dream world… an illusion. Our spirit friends, likewise, are steeped in their astral reality, and our material universe seems like a dream world.

      To them, the working mechanics of the the material universe with its stars and planets and galaxies are not so important. It’s all illusory.

      It’s like trying to analyze the slow-motion trajectories of water drops after a big water balloon is dropped in the middle of a crowd. Unless you’re a forensic scientist, why bother about all the water drops? No one really cares. What IS important is the consciousness and the lives of the people living through the experience, since those people share a close, spiritual kinship with each other..How does the event affect them? What goes through their minds? How do they relate to each other? How do they try to make sense of what happened?

      The fact is that we mortal humans live on a small, beautiful, watery world called Earth that’s nourished by light from the sun, and we see a moon and lots of stars in the night sky. That’s the basic reality of mortal living as experienced through the minds of mortal humans of any era on Earth. That’s the familiar reality of human living… the reality of poets and lovers and children… and, well, just about everyone.

      And that, I believe, is the basis on which the reality of the third level is sustained. That familiar reality in which we (individually, and as a species) seem to be at the center of everything. It’s our relationships with each other that really matter. That’s the mass consciousness of humanity on Earth that helps to create form and structure of the astral, afterlife world.

      The actual mechanics of the vast universe around us is inconsequential… unless we happen to be scientists and we’re driven by the need to understand the bigger picture. Science takes us out of that comfort zone, showing us that there’s more to material living than meets the eye. As long as most of us have only a mild interest in scientific knowledge and hold onto the poet’s view of life (or the intimate, personal view of life), then the afterlife probably doesn’t change much.

      If scientific theories become more and more convoluted, and if more and more people begin to assimilate those convolutions, then we start to destabilize the spirit realm of our ancestors… and they have to make some adjustments.

      I think that’s also why The Seven have shared with us some important information about our ancient past… especially the planet Marduk (Eden) that exploded long ago. The more we know about our REAL heritage, the more we resonate with the afterlife.

      Anyway, I’m going far beyond the point of your comment (which apparently stirred up a lot of stuff in my mind 🙂 ). Thanks for that!

      Mark

    • Mark Macy says:

      After more thinking, I’m not sure if my original reply (or any reply I’m able to make) would give the complete picture. I think the main thing is that each of us (humans on Earth and humans living now on the other side) see each other’s reality as something of a dream world or illusion. I’m fairly certain that the Timestream group and The Seven were/are reaching out to science on Earth, since Swejen Salter, who had been a scientist in her previous life, became the head of Timestream. So I’m sure they see the importance of science here on Earth… and the truths we learn about our material universe (Earth revolves around the sun, and our solar system is in our galaxy, one of many galaxies out there, etc.

      I think that with the information about Marduk they are only trying to give us a more complete picture of things.

      And I’m sorry, Walker, that I’m unable to give you my opinion on the luminous aether and the Michelson-Morley experiment, which I’m not well-versed in. I do know that some people with somewhat radical views (sometimes illogical and unrealistic views) try to use science to support their views… because science has developed a good reputation for analyzing things carefully. Like I said, though, I don’t know anything about that luminous aether information.

      Mark

      • Mark Macy says:

        … so I just now googled ‘luminous aether’ and skimmed through the wikipedia listing, to see that luminous aether was a prevalent scientific theory in the 1800s, eventually giving way to current theories on relativity and light waves and quantum mechanics.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether

        Thanks for leading me there. I’ll try to dig into it all a little deeper in the future, just so I can get a better sense of how all of this has evolved into current scientific thinking. Much appreciated. Mark

  4. Pat Sypult says:

    What can your friends from the otherside tell us about the Mandela Effect and it’s cause.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Pat,

      Our spirit friends at Timestream talked of parallel worlds and spirit realms that interplay with the activities going on in our world, mostly “behind the scenes,” imperceptible to our conscious minds and 5 senses.

      I suspect that when we’re personally involved in that silent interplay (which happens routinely), then some of that interplay affects us subconsciously in ways that can “bubble up” into the conscious mind. (That sentence is conjecture on my part; Timestream talks of the reality of parallel worlds and spirit realms, but they don’t describe their mental and emotional effects on us carnal humans, as far as I know. But it stands to reason….)

      Here’s a link to a good, insightful snopes.com article for readers (like me) who need a better understanding and clearer idea of what the Mandela Effect is.

      https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/24/the-mandela-effect/

      Naturally, the article leans more toward the worldly explanations, such as memory glitches, but it also explores the parallel-worlds idea more politely than the typically witch-hunting wikipedia does.

      Mark

  5. mark macy says:

    The following dialog took place by email in early October 2022, and the fellow who sent the original email, John B, agreed to let me include it in these comments. Thanks John, Mark

    Comment by John B

    The following was provided to INIT by the Technician:

    The world in which we live, which you call ‘the other side,’ is constructed according to the basic laws of Ptolemy.* The ideas that living and deceased persons hold concerning this structure are misleading.

    The life view of Ptolemy was then obliterated by followers of Copernicus.* This life view correspondingly reduced the number who arrived here geometrically. At the moment, due to the imprint of Einstein’s view, and because of numerous new theories from your side — Hawking, Sheldrake, etc. — the other side here is, one might say, ‘out of joint.’

    Upon reading this, my first impression was that the accepted scientific paradigm at a given time among scholars or the accepted understanding of reality on Earth among those with such a scholarly interest somehow creates or influences the afterlife and what beings from Earth, after physical death, go there.

    When the Technician refers to how different worldviews impact the number of souls who appear in their world, it makes me wonder where the souls that would have gone to their world but for their worldview at the time of their physical death would go instead?

    Also, Ptolemy’s worldview may have been influential within a small group of scholars at the beginning when he formulated it during his life from some time between his birth in c. 100 AD to his death in c. 170 AD, but, in order to have an effect on the afterlife, wouldn’t it have had to have been commonly accepted by the vast number of people living including both the educated and the uneducated? Why would only some people’s beliefs impact the afterlife? Maybe Ptolemy’s worldview impacted Christian explanations that priests gave to commoners, but, this wouldn’t have impacted, for example, Chinese people, native peoples and many others at the time. Or would it have? Is a scientific worldview some kind of key that opens one’s access to a locked spiritual plane or is it better conceived of as a paintbrush that creates it?

    And what was the afterlife like before Ptolemy?

    We must understand what the basic laws of Ptolemy were that the Technician is referring to here.

    The difference between the theories of Ptolemy and Copernicus are always discussed in terms of whether the sun revolves around the Earth (the Ptolemaic view) or the Earth around the sun (the Copernican view). The Technician never says that the universe where we reside currently is constructed according to Ptolemaic laws. To do so would be in direct contradiction to our own observations and would lead to us thinking we are being put on in some way.

    The Technician is not highlighting the differences between the Ptolemaic worldview and the Copernican worldview as they relate to the relationship of the Earth to the Sun in our universe at all. The Technician is referring to an afterlife cosmology, ie. the way the world is laid out in that non-physical part of reality that many (but not all) of us go to after death. But, is the Technician referring only to the relationship between an afterlife planet and an afterlife sun?

    It is interesting that the Technician states that one’s presence in and awakening in that world does not automatically create an awareness of its map or cosmology and that its map or cosmology is subject to change anyway.

    What does the Technician mean by the number of souls being reduced “geometrically”? I know what an exponential reduction means but am not sure what a geometric reduction is. Is this a mathematical term? Why this term?

    The term “imprint” seems significant. Somehow, in working out the physics of our own world, physicists are “imprinting” the afterlife. But what is it in the formulation of a particular physical theory that “imprints” the afterlife? How is it that the afterlife can be so fragile that a published scientific work can put it “out of joint”? That leads me back to the belief that it is in the way that these scientific gatekeepers (Einstein, Hawking) lead the beliefs of majorities of people that they have an impact on the afterlife.

    Also, do conflicting theories somehow cause conflicting imprints? It is important to note that Sheldrake’s theories, however valuable they may or may not be in unlocking the mysteries of the spirit world, are not at all accepted by the scientific community.

    This was the first Gem and was utterly baffling.

    Any light would be appreciated, Mark.

    John B

    Reply from Mark Macy

    Hm, I’ve had some of those same questions over the years, John.
    I addressed some of them in an article last year…
    https://macyafterlife.com/2021/04/14/philosophy-05-mysteries-of-ancient-wisdom/

    But that article gets into a lot of other stuff that you may or may not be interested in.
    So I’ll try to boil down my thoughts:

    My first thought on reading that contact was, why would the afterlife be designed on such an old-fashioned, out of date paradigm?… the sun revolving around the Earth?
    Then, over the years, I tried to dig more deeply into Ptolemy’s views (with little success, since most of his writings were lost) and to see things from a spiritual standpoint (from Technician’s view).

    Here’s what I THINK is happening:

    It’s not so much about everything revolving around the Earth or around the sun, since that seems to be a dynamic of our material universe–planets revolving around stars. Apparently there’s a different physics operating in subtler universes, especially those formless universes of energy beings and light beings, closer to the source. And that physics seems to be based on consciousness… how thoughts and beliefs shape reality. The mechanics of our universe don’t seem to apply much to subtler realms.

    As you say:
    The Technician is not highlighting the differences between the Ptolemaic worldview and the Copernican worldview as they relate to the relationship of the Earth to the Sun in our universe at all. Technician is referring to an afterlife cosmology, ie. the way the world is laid out in that non-physical part of reality that many (but not all) of us go to after death….

    Incidentally, inhabitants of that Eden world, or Marduk (where most people apparently go after they die), say unequivocally that their world has THREE suns, and those suns are apparently higher beings who provide the life-energy to sustain or nourish the world. They don’t just radiate heat and other energies (the way we think of our sun), but stream a brilliant consciousness that shapes the lives and structures on Eden. That’s my impression, anyway.

    I think that frontier scientists like Rupert Sheldrake, who are starting to explore the creative potential of consciousness (what he calls morphogenic fields), are leading the way to a new science here on Earth that’s more aligned to that cosmic physics, whatever it is. He may be a pariah at the moment, but I suspect future history books will have him in a much better light. (Again, my impression.)

    “Geometrically”… Now THAT’s interesting. I just looked the word up, and it means:
    in a way that is made up of shapes such as squares, triangles, or rectangles: geometrically patterned.

    The Technician quote “This life view correspondingly reduced the number who arrived here geometrically” doesn’t seem to make sense by that definition.
    But I think there’s a simple explanation: The original contact was in German, and was translated to English. I suspect the translator might have used the term “geometrically” incorrectly. I no longer have the original German contacts; they were burned up in the fire that destroyed our neighborhood last December, so I can’t go back in the archives.

    Anyway, bottom line: I suspect those guys like Technician view our world not so much by the structures of our buildings and bodies and forests and oceans… but by the mass consciousness of the inhabitants, especially us humans. And the thoughts of leading thinkers in science and philosophy (that nudge humanity closer to “the truth” about the cosmos and grow popular among us humans) probably stand out from the vast ocean of earth consciousness, maybe with a sort of golden glow. Those golden thoughts might get the attention of the finer beings.

    I suspect in this age of mass communication, they see the new theories getting passed along quickly to many bright minds of scientists and philosophers, and I guess that gets their worldview a little out of joint, since there has to be some resonance between their worldview and ours in order for that Eden world to remain in close contact with Earth… allowing souls here to go there after a lifetime.
    That seems to be the case.

    Mark

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