Worlds Within Worlds 04 – Ancient Human Timeline

This article in the worlds-within-worlds cosmology stretches our minds to the boggle point. I’ve tried to keep it as clear and uncluttered as I can, just adding lots of links to details and source materials, which you’re welcome to ignore or explore.

The controversial timeline below (which I’ve come to believe is reasonably close to the truth) was all woven together with information from…

  • Ethereal messages via ITC, or instrumental transcommunication, the use of technology to get information from the worlds of spirit,
  • History and science, especially astronomy, geology, and archaeology,
  • Religion, especially the paradise “Eden” story of western religion, the 4-billion-year “day of Brahma” of eastern religion, and the knowledge of spirit realms held by most major religions,
  • Solid physical evidence such as megaliths and Ica stones that might contradict mainstream science and religion, and
  • Frontier science… what zealous, hard-headed skeptics on wikipedia toss together as “fringe science.”

Our ancient past is not an easy subject to write about nowadays because of all of the polarizing views. For scientists, megalithic ruins found throughout the world are like elephants in the lab that no one wants to talk about. And new ideas about spirits and the origin of mankind can upset religionists. So writing about these things is like walking on eggshells.

Eggshells and elephants… what could go wrong?

Here’s the story….


The Cataclysm 4 Billion Years Ago

A defining moment occurred 4 billion years ago that changed everything. Scientists call it the Late Heavy Bombardment, and it caused most of the impact craters on the planets and moons in our solar system. No one’s exactly sure what caused that massive onslaught of debris in the first place, but here’s what makes most sense to me:

Billions of years ago a Saturn-sized planet circled the sun between Mars and Jupiter. The planet went by various names, including Eden and Marduk.

Brilliant beings from finer spirit realms decided to spread life into the physical universe.

  • To do that, they would have to “terraform” planets like Eden… making them habitable.
  • To do that, some of those spirit beings would have to become physical beings.
  • And to do that, they would have to develop what we today would consider to be giant, superhuman bodies as sort of protective outer shells around their spirit bodies (for the same reason that astronauts don spacesuits or divers wear scuba gear; it was the only way to live in an otherwise incompatible environment).

So as the project got underway, those giant humans with their massive technologies began turning Eden (and presumably other large planets in other solar systems) into a paradise world. Here in our solar system they were not only terraforming Eden; they were also spreading their flourishing paradise to other, lesser planets such as Earth, Venus, and Mars.

Around 4 billion years ago their technologies got out of hand, and Planet Eden was suddenly destroyed in a massive explosion. The only surviving Edenites were the colonists on Earth.

(Some people believe the planet Eden or Marduk or Maldek was destroyed by an impact with another big body, but I lean toward the idea that advanced Edenite technologies caused the explosion 4 billion years ago, mainly because of the unimaginable force it would have taken to produce the kind of shrapnel illustrated below.)

Comparative sizes. (The Eden picture is an artist’s rendition… obviously not the real Eden. 🙂 )

Why did life survive only on Earth? Maybe just coincidence. Maybe Earth was on the opposite side of the sun from Eden when Eden exploded—like standing behind a brick wall when a grenade goes off—in which case Earth might have only suffered a planetary blast concussion from which it eventually recovered. Whatever the case, Edenites on Earth (and only on Earth) survived the explosion.

The giant humans, who were well suited as stewards of a gigantic paradise planet like Eden in a peaceful universe, were now marooned on tiny Planet Earth under chaotic conditions. The biosphere had probably been badly disrupted by the explosion, and the heavens were rife with meteors, asteroids, and other planetary shrapnel.

For some 3 billion years (tenuous years, at best) the castaways were able to continue engineering and managing Earth’s biosystems in relative peace.

Then came a second defining moment—dinosaurs. They appeared on Earth shortly after the last ice age (sometimes called the Karoo or Paleozoic ice age, which ended 260 million years ago). Unlike most of the other living things on Earth, these new dinosaurs did not submit to the will of Earth’s human caretakers, and so it became a struggle to prevail.

Some 33,000 Acámbaro figurines (left) and 15,000 Ica stones, which were dug up last century, were probably (and arguably) buried around the time that the dinosaurs went extinct, providing solid evidence that our giant ancestors once had to contend with dinosaurs. The three Ica stones in the picture show not just a human with a dinosaur but also an ancient astronomer and an advanced medical procedure. The lower photo was taken in the Berlin Museum of Natural History (Museum für Naturkunde). Note the relative size difference between humans and dinosaurs then and now.

As mentioned, the peaceful Edenites were brilliant, superhuman giants by today’s standards, so their strife against the dinosaurs, whose gigantic bones we see in modern museums, would have been like us today battling crocodiles and snakes the size of cars and subway trains… probably without the aid of guns and other weapons.

I suspect that the Edenites possessed advanced scientific and medical technologies for planetary management and for interacting with other dimensions (the spirit realms), but weapons were probably an alien concept… something that had no purpose before dinosaurs appeared on Earth.

Carved stones dug up in Ica, Peru in the 1960s, and figurines dug up in Acámbaro, Mexico in the 1940s, are probably (though arguably) tens of thousands of years old. If so, they provide some of the best solid evidence that our gifted, giant human ancestors were on Earth during the time of dinosaurs… and probably much, much earlier.

(There’s lots of other evidence of ancient human presence scattered around this website, for example here… and here… and here… but these pictures, along with the megaliths shown below, make the point well enough for this article.)

And here are a couple of key ITC contacts that inspired me, in recent years, to formulate this mind-boggling scenario of our ancient beginnings 4 billion years ago. Unless I’ve misunderstood the meaning of the following contacts, the scenario above seems to make pretty good sense to me.

Related ITC contacts (excerpts)

  • Long, long ago when humans came to Earth from Eden (or Marduk), they lost mastery over nature after their dissension with the serpent…. Humans had to fight against nature and some of its most dangerous creatures. You call them monsters, but they were only life forms which defended themselves and their kind. These creatures did not subject themselves to the intellectual superiority of humans and had to be defeated and destroyed by cunning and strength. Human civilizations prevailed. Of these times long, long ago, only legends were handed down. Do not scorn them. The day may not be far off when your sciences will dig up the skeleton of a dragon.…
  • The animal consciousness has been forced on humanity. Humans themselves are not bad. Prior to the last ice age men lived peacefully together, man with man and man with animals.

Dawn of Global Civilization

After finally vanquishing the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago, the Edenites gradually regrouped and started building what might be called the foundations of modern human civilization. Plato spoke of Atlantis as a vast island empire in what is now the North Atlantic Ocean. Other sources talk about various ancient, mighty civilizations in various parts of the world that went by various names.

Trying to figure out what really happened in those ancient times can cause some serious head-scratching, but certain facts stand out clearly.

We only need to open our eyes (and maybe our minds) to see plenty of solid evidence that giant, brilliant, technologically advanced humans walked the Earth long, long ago.

Megalithic ruins—gigantic structures—are found throughout most of the world, and there is simply no rational explanation for their existence—none—if we insist on believing that we today are the most advanced humans who ever walked the Earth.

Solid, megalithic evidence like this picture insists that the ancient story of humanity has to include a highly advanced civilization that prevailed on Earth long before we did.

This, in a nutshell, is probably what happened in that era long ago:

After vanquishing the dinosaurs, the surviving Edenites developed an advanced civilization that spanned most of the globe and went by different names in different parts of the world (Atlantis being just one of those names). That’s why megalithic ruins have been found in so many locations.

So after the demise of dinosaurs, giant humans were once again in control of the global ecosystem… more or less. Apparently the conflict that had raged between humans and dinosaur for millions of years caused Planet Earth to undergo a personality change. It was no longer a paradise world managed by human stewards, but a more savage world where competition and conflict would play a much bigger role.

Eventually the Edenites themselves left the Earth (and presumably returned to the worlds of spirit), and the fate of human civilization was left in the hands of their descendants, whom we sometimes call Titans or demigods. Those Titans were like a hybrid race between the Edenites and smaller humans like us today.

Those Titans in that ancient civilization apparently made some big mistakes, which instilled a noble-savage character into the terrestrial ecosystem, where life kills life to survive.

Related ITC contact (excerpt):

  • The “fall of Man” is a legend handed down from Greek mythology. It was maintained by the “Mysteries” and found its way into the schools of philosophy during the Greek classic period. Humans were considered to be descendants of Titans who had killed the young Dionysus-Zagreus. The burden of this crime weighed heavily on them. In a writing by Anaximander it is said that the unity of the world was destroyed by a prehistoric crime. In reality, these legends are based on a factual incident: the downfall of the civilization you often call Atlantis (also known by other names). This downfall was brought about by the descendants of the last inhabitants of Marduk who became marooned on planet Terra. This downfall came through reliance and blind trust in a massive technology…. You see, there was a “fall of Man,” but different from what you imagined. We know that many among you will not believe us. This does not bother us. We know that this is how it was. Today you may consider it science fiction, but you too will one day, once more, recognize its validity. The next time we shall speak of more pleasant things.

I’ve speculated elsewhere on this website about the things that might have gone wrong with the “massive technologies” of that megalithic civilization. Possibilities include:

  • Experimenting with humans, animals, and plants through genetic engineering and cross-breeding,
  • Engineering sexual reproduction so that humans (and presumably other species) could perpetuate themselves with an endless series of short lifespans… (it’s likely that the Edenites themselves were asexual beings, simply coming to Earth for a long lifetime measured in millennia or eons, and maybe renewing their bodies periodically through spiritual processes, similar to the way we humans today reincarnate… but the Titans decided to change that by creating male and female versions, starting with the male… a decision that led to lots of thorny problems early in the development cycle),
  • Creating devastating weapons,
  • Transducing potent spirit world energies to physical (electromagnetic) energies with explosive results.

But these are just four possibilities among many. Whatever the truth turns out to be, I’m confident that the choices made by the Titans (superhuman descendants of the Edenites) caused serious problems for humans and other life forms on Earth after the age of dinosaurs, and we today are still contending with the fallout from those bad choices. I base that confidence mostly on the three ITC messages listed earlier in the article.


So, let’s pretend that we could gather together all of the stories and theories and beliefs about our ancient human timeline from the archives of science, religion, and the frontier sciences… and then toss them all on the table along with the above article.

If we then used Occam’s razor to start cutting away all of the material that’s too contrived or too complicated or at odds with solid physical evidence like the megaliths and ancient artifacts mentioned earlier… what do you suppose would be left when the cutting’s done?

My money is on the article above, even if it’s a bit mind-boggling at the moment.


Granted, this timeline has plenty of holes and unanswered questions. One of the biggest:

Why haven’t archaeologists uncovered any giant human skeletons among the dinosaur fossils?!

If this cosmology is valid (as I suspect it is), then these things will eventually be resolved. Meanwhile, discernment is prudent, skepticism is understandable… and comments are welcome.

The next article begins to explore more modern times
from a spiritual and noble-savage point of view.

This picture was added 2019/12/03, when I ran across it in my archives. I put it here in relation to a comment below by Walter Rucker. It’s a picture of Bob Brown who organized an annual UFO conference and lived a mile or so from me. I took these pictures in the presence of the luminator in 2001. The picture on the right shows Bob with an entity (superimposed) who was wearing some glitzy eyewear. 🙂
I couldn’t figure out how to add the picture into the comments section below.

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28 Responses to Worlds Within Worlds 04 – Ancient Human Timeline

  1. This is fascinating Mark. I was open to the ideas previously but was unsure of the source, where it was coming from in your writings.

    Now, years later after having been exposed to various teachings by spiritual teachings, physical mediumship seances, etc, I can see that it is fact that we were engineered, that our heritage is much more complex than we think it to be, that giants were real, and yes that even dragons used to exist.

    Elements of your writing are supported by The writings of Paul Ham’s communication with the Zetas, and also hidden seances from the 60s, 70s, 80s that are not public.

    It’s like being told that Santa Claus isn’t real, but magic is. Exchanging one fable for a whole book on history and possibilities.

    And for that, we thank you.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Thanks Keith, I’ve always known you to have a discerning mind, so your comment provided some reassurance. I’ll check out that ‘treurniet’ link………….

    • Mark Macy says:

      I just started reading one of those zeta articles,
      and I can see I’m going to enjoy visiting that site now and then in the coming weeks.
      Thanks again Keith,

    • walterrucker says:

      Keith@idigitalmedium says: “Now, years later after having been exposed to various teachings by spiritual teachings, physical mediumship seances, etc, I can see that it is fact that we were engineered, that our heritage is much more complex than we think it to be, that giants were real, and yes that even dragons used to exist.”

      What teachings from physical mediumship led you to the understanding of the bioengineering/DNA manipulation of the human species?

  2. Suzanne Carter says:

    I was just about to give Mark some encouraging feedback on this latest article when I saw that Keith had beat me to it and I certainly couldn’t have said it better!

    Whenever I ask myself why why why we have to come here and go through all this, I always get the same internal answer:

    “How would you know you had developed true agape for mankind if you hadn’t proved it through acts of courage? How would you know you had courage if it weren’t tested? How would you ever develop courage if it weren’t tested?”

    I hope when Mark graduates from earth he gets a laurel wreath. I wouldn’t have the guts to post this stuff no matter how convinced I was if it’s likely veracity.

    Bravo Mark!

  3. John Day says:

    Thank you, Mark, for one more amazing installment in this valuable series.
    The links are great.

  4. walterrucker says:

    Not interested in another POV, Mark? You are interested in channeled ‘aliens’, why not Bashar?

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Walter,

      Thanks for the comment.
      I make it a point not to accept those shortened links, like links, that look like viruses. So i removed the link from your comment, but will be happy to post a direct link to that site, if you’ll send the original link.

      I know a lot of those “bitly” links are often legitimately used to shorten long links for mass distribution, but they’re also used a lot for viruses… so i just ignore them, or remove them when they arrive. Sorry for not contacting you directly by email after I did deleted your first comment.


    • Mark Macy says:

      Walter, my hearing’s not so great, but I listened to the short audio clip (channeled message) and was pleased that the story of Maldek parallels closely with the messages we received about Marduk… except the end, which says Maldek was destroyed by an impact, not by technologies of the inhabitants. My immediate reaction (being human) was to assume the channeled message was mistaken… but then I thought about it….

      Now I need to study all of those ITC contacts more closely. We were told that Atlantis was destroyed by its massive technologies, and perhaps I deduced or assumed that similar technologies had also destroyed the home planet. If my deductions were premature (and if our ITC contacts didn’t state specifically how Marduk was destroyed), then I’ll need to go back through several articles, including this one, and explain that an impact event was another possibility.

      Thanks a lot for that! I try to be accurate with my writing, but with information of this scope I obviously make occasional mistakes. So I’ll look into it further.


      • walterrucker says:

        You have provided valuable insight into a complex phenomenon, no apologies necessary.

        There are a few ET information that can be trusted, Bashar and Paul Hamden/Truerniet’s Zeta material are two. They have stayed the test of time and between them, most (all?) of the major questions about the structure of the multiverse, why we are here, etc. are addressed. The remainder of the information, the precise details of our human history and the histories of our galactic neighbors, will be gifted to us as we march forward to contact and face-to-face communications. Expect that within the next decade +/- a few years either side as the energy is read today.

        With no deference to ITC/EVP and spirit communications, let me suggest that if you want to know about ET (and their knowledgeable), ask ET. If you want to know about spirit…ask ET 🙂

        Feel free to contact me offline if you need access to my libraries of ET (Bashar) and spirit communications, they are very extensive (terabytes).

        Best to you in your adventures!

        • Mark Macy says:

          Thanks for the follow-up, Walter. I’ll contact you offline regarding your generous offer of access to your ET archives.

          I knew Bob Brown (he lived just a mile or two from my home here in Louisville CO). He invited me to speak at 2 or 3 of his UFO conventions in Laughlin Nevada more than a decade ago (before I gave up public speaking). I had him over once to our house to take pictures with the luminator… and the results were really amazing. In one picture he had some sort of geometrical, futuristic-looking headware that looked out of this world (except maybe on Elton John 🙂 ), not the typical “spirit face” photos that were the usual result of the Polaroid pictures with the luminator. He kept the original photos, but I made some copies. If I can find that particular picture I’ll add it here in this dialog in the coming days.* You might find it interesting.
          *(I couldn’t figure out a way to add the picture to this comment, so I added it to the end of the article above… FYI… – Mark)

          I tried to add some humor during one of my presentations at the UFO conference (my wife has warned me several times about my sense of humor). I said, “I’m involved in technical spirit communication. UFO research seems really exciting and has a lot of possibilities, as long as you don’t get ‘carried away.'” I meant that as a joke (you know, referring to abductions) to lighten the mood, but it was followed by dead silence. And it was the last time I was invited to the UFO conference.

          In the course of my research I’ve been given several ‘gentle reminders’ like that, maybe to keep me focused on technical spirit communication with spirits at level 3, and the challenges involved in establishing a bridge. Especially the difficulty we humans have in achieving the state of resonance that makes the bridge possible.

          It sounds like the zetas have that resonance built in to their genetic and cultural make-up, which makes our ITC efforts here on Earth seem kind of like child’s play in the cosmic scheme of things. It’s so difficult for us ‘noble-savage’ humans to sustain that kind of resonance.

          I guess the point I’m trying to make is, it sounds like the ETs and our spirit friends at Timestream are all working toward the same crucial goal: to try to help us terrestrial humans learn to resonate with each other in a more peaceful, loving way. To help us to become more suitable for interactions with other cultures throughout the omniverse.

          Whether or not we can rise to the challenge, I believe, holds many implications for the fate of our world in the not-too-distant future, as you said in your comment. So… thanks for making contact!


          • walterrucker says:

            Mark: “I guess the point I’m trying to make is, it sounds like the ETs and our spirit friends at Timestream are all working toward the same crucial goal: to try to help us terrestrial humans learn to resonate with each other in a more peaceful, loving way.”

            True and they accomplish this objective in different ways.

            Discarnates focus on concepts, ideas and solutions that are time based just as our physical reality is. ETs tend to bracket spiritual conversation within the understanding that physical reality is illusory and time is a side effect of our creation of PR. Everything exists Now.

            Two points of view, each with exciting possibilities and each accurate and valuable within its context.

          • Mark Macy says:

            Hi Walter, I think the idea that time and space are mostly illusions is the more accurate one, in the big picture. Time and space as we perceive them are (as you say) illusions. One of the biggest challenges facing our spirit group was trying to adapt to the illusory sense of time experienced by us on Earth. I got the impression that their reality at levels 3 and 4 are even further removed from our illusory material worlds than are the ETs who materialize occasionally in our world, presumably from other dense dimensions similar to ours? But that’s just my impression.

          • Mark Macy says:

            … whereas the spirits “stuck” in the earthplane (level 1) are still caught up in the time-and-space phenomenon as we experience here in this physical dimension.

            • walterrucker says:

              Mark: “One of the biggest challenges facing our spirit group was trying to adapt to the illusory sense of time experienced by us on Earth. I got the impression that their reality at levels 3 and 4 are even further removed from our illusory material worlds than are the ETs who materialize occasionally in our world, presumably from other dense dimensions similar to ours? But that’s just my impression.”

              Can you imagine an ET who lives in a dense environment similar to ours that has the imposed limitations of time and space as we do? Of course, and if that is true, your imagination has served you well as you cannot imagine something that does not exist.

              Right here and now, one quanta away, there is raging a universe of active intelligence that is transhuman, hyperdimensional, and extremely alien.

              Mark: “… whereas the spirits “stuck” in the earthplane (level 1) are still caught up in the time-and-space phenomenon as we experience here in this physical dimension.”

              Physical reality is a very compelling state of being for many 🙂

        • Kate says:

          I listened to the link and find the idea of asking ET brilliant. What do you and your contacts think of the information given out by, the late, Phil Schnieder?

          • Kate says:

            A question for Walter

          • walterrucker says:

            @Kate Although there are no ET communications that specifically involve Schneider per se, it is widely held that experiences which occur beneath the surface of our planet are partly interdimensional in nature. I.e portals are breached albeit unknowingly and mistaken for “deep Earth adventures”. This would include the reports of the likes of Corey Goode, Emery Smith and many others [no endorsement of Goode et al insinuated]. Like Phil Schneider, their experiences are a mix of physical reality and the physicalness of other dimensions.

            Phil Schneider may not be lying just mistaken in his interpretations of the locale of events.

          • Kate says:

            Thanks for the response Walter.

  5. Kate says:

    Hi Mark I clicked on the three links and fascinated by the Ica stones so will research those if I can find more about them. There is so much information in your links. When I looked up Dionysus-Zagreus the mythology could easily be describing genetic engineering and the lightning bolts could be some worldly induced disaster. Sounds like the Titans were meat eaters…they ate Zagreus.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hi Kate, Regina convinced me to get on the “Plant Paradox” diet, so I’m losing weight and feeling really good. I probably couldn’t have been a Titan, Zagreus isn’t on the list. 🙂
      Thanks for another interesting comment.

    • Mark Macy says:

      Hm,, this morning I woke up wondering why I’d made that weird comment about Zagreus, which seemed funny at the time. Then I remembered in college, feeling uneasy when learning about the “allegory” of Prometheus and fire and darkness (him being punished and banned in a cave for stealing fire from the other Titans and giving it to the mere mortal humans), and I realized this morning that all of those legends from cultures early in the Second Epoch always made me a little uneasy. I don’t think I ever took the time to look up the legend of Dionysus-Zagreus since first hearing about it in that ITC contact (avoidance?)… so I did that this morning, and you’re right: It’s an unsettling allegory, and it probably has some bearing on the ancient technologies of the Titans and the crazy stuff that was going on during the First Epoch as they were engineering and interacting with the small humans of the time… neanderthals, homo sapiens… something troubling that we humans of the Second Epoch want to forget.

      Many of those legends seem to be boiled-down, hopefully exaggerated translations or interpretations of what was going on during that megalithic time of giants, and they don’t bode well for our human heritage… accounting for a lot of the darkness (or savage behaviro) in human affairs. Anyway, what I’ve been trying to do with these articles early in the series is to try to make sense of what really happened back then, based largely on the ITC contacts we received. With my next article (#06) the plan is to start focusing on the ways we can make light and noble choices to pull ourselves out of the darkness… if that makes sense.

      So, Kate, thanks again for the comment. It made me do some soul-searching.


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